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Open Community]]> :: Author: Tyrone]]>
]]>Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:37 pm (GMT -6)
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these rogus movers

LOL! I like that!]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: MusicMom]]>
]]>Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:09 pm (GMT -6)
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also a shame about Lee and Diane jumping all over MrBigg like those previous posts - they never truly heard the man out. Hopefully we can all enjoy helpful posts instead of the smack talk and one sided views from them two.

CD, I don't know you from Adam, but there is no hearing someone out when they're posting bogus stories. The IP addresses show which individual computer a person is posting from, so it's known when two posts come from the same person. If Mr. Bigg claimed to have been a scammed mover in one thread, but an ex-mover in another, then that can't really be true, can it? I know you see a volunteer "jumping on" and "talking smack" about a poster, but in reality, they are only calling attention to a possible scammer. They disreputable companies love to come on here and post as either greatly satisfied cutomers immediately after someone mentions a bad record of their company, or they post false stories about their competitors, or more common, ask what we know about a certain company, which blows my mind because of course we'll find the dirt and put it out in the open! Pleae do not put down the hard-working volunteers here, expecially when they give a lot of themselves and their time, to keep other consumers from getting hurt by these rogus movers.]]>

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Open Community]]> :: Author: Tyrone]]>
]]>Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:27 pm (GMT -6)
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For example, the movers could weigh the truck "empty" without you present. They make sure that there is little or no fuel in the truck. Then, after weighing it they stop and fill the truck up with gas. Then they go to your house and load your goods. But you are unaware that when they weigh the truck now you are being charged for the hundreds of pounds of fuel that the truck now holds. So, it is very important that you witness the "empty" weight of the truck AND that you follow it straight back to your house for the loading, then follow it straight back to the weigh station (with NO stopping for gas!) to avoid this sort of weight bumping.

As I said, there are several tactics to falsely bump the weight if you fail to witness the weighing. I won't post the details in this open forum, but suffice to say that it is definitely worth it for you to witness BOTH weights.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: WORFsonofmogh]]>
]]>Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:56 pm (GMT -6)
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Sorry that it has been so long since I have posted here. While I have been preparing for this move, I have also been busy completing my Masters here at UNH. I am nearly finished, and I would like to express my gratitude to everyone on this website. With all of my other worries, I do not think I would have had such a smooth experience picking out a mover without the kind and generous people who work with and contribute to this website.
As far as the move goes, I have definitely decided to go with Atlas. They provided a fair quote, and they are good people. The total price will be approximately $2000, depending on what the final weight comes out to when my stuff is weighed. I plan to attend the weighing when they leave my apartment. I would like to thank 23 for her post about free valuation with Atlas for those with AAA. I asked Wood Bros. if they honored this deal, and they do! I received free full coverage valuation. What a relief, I saved probably $400. And my membership to AAA only cost $44!!
The move will take place two weeks from this Thursday. I will update as soon as things get started. Let's hope everything works out for the better.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: BigLeeCalif]]>
]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 11:24 am (GMT -6)
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If the exmover guy had been reading the post I made, he would have seen that my expertise is in household goods, and that was the gist of my statement...

He is an ex driver, apparently, not mover... Moving freight does not qualify one as an expert in Household goods transportation.

I did not venture into the freight arena....

But that is neither here nor there.]]>_________________
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]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 11:13 am (GMT -6)
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Many scam movers just calculate the cubic feet and present a price based on that to the customer, without multiplying the cubic feet by a weight factor. They don't give customers an idea of what their shipment weighs. This makes it easier for the mover to take advantage of the customer. With the way the majors do it, at least there is a way to check the accuracy of a weight-based estimate (with a scale). But there is really no feasible way to check the accuracy of a volume (or cubic feet) estimate. The mover can fill any given volume of space by packing stuff in mostly-empty boxes, by loading the truck with things loosely, etc. What is the customer going to do, go in there with a tape measure?

But in the end, all trucking companies (legitimate moving companies included) need to have some idea of how much space (volume or cubic feet) a shipment will take up.]]>

Open Community]]> :: Author: BigLeeCalif]]>
]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:33 am (GMT -6)
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You're right, I don't know squat about freight... I am in the household goods moving industry, which, my insignificant adversary, is what I was addressing... Freight carriers do what the heck makes them profitable.

I stand by my statement, which, incidentally, I said "legitimate movers". I made no reference to freight.

And, if you in fact met with Mr. Bush, I'm sure you milked the publicity photos.. Put your money where your mouth is.... I'm sure it's big enough for all of it to fit.

I don't have to justify my knowledge to you... So what if you have 3 million accident free miles.. You see things from the asphalt. We see it for what it really is, and from the inside.

And make sure if you don't do anything else, Have a nice day.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: Diane]]>
]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:47 am (GMT -6)
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]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:39 am (GMT -6)
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Diane wrote:

Lee,

. . . I think we can safely disregard the bulk of what the "exmoverguy" says. He's describing what scammers do and may have been scammed himself, who knows? But we can't verify the rest of it.

I worked for North American at one time, I was a good worker, but found out the hard way how MANAGEMENT RAN THEIR OPERATIONS. So please do not lump me into the idiots out there. I can tell you what I saw and we can all learn from it. I lknow right away when talking with people if they know what they are talking about, so take it with a grain of salt. With 25 years and 3 million accident free miles, I can honestly say I DO KNOW QUITE A BIT ABOUT TRUCKING COMPANIES AND CURRENT REGULATIONS, but you and that other clown Big Lee chose to pick fun at my experiences with someone else at the helm...so be it. I am here to help people, not mislead, you can see that WORF is still having trouble. I am also an advocate for safer trucks, better business through regulations. That's probably why I personally met with Mr Bush, our President to possibly make changes in Congress to make Moving an honest upfront venture. So, I went to the top and I keep trying! I don't sit back and pick at postings, I'm far too smart for 3rd grade tactics. I also work for the DOT fulltime and would love to give half those movers citations for their equipment alone! Diane and Big Lee could learn a lot from me, but choose not to, no problem. President liked my views and potential changes, thats all that counts to me.]]>

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BigLeeCalif wrote:

Worf,

Apparently the last poster must have worked for a scam mover, because that IS NOT HOW it goes with legitimate movers.

The only time your goods should be transferred from the vehicle it was originally loaded onto is if there was a shuttle, a G-11 pickup, or pick up into Storage-in-transit.

Ex mover said

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Also, I am an ex-Mover myself and let me tell it to you up front - Expect to pay 3 times the amount quoted, that's their catch, and once your goods are loaded up in the truck...they have you by the balls. Also, yes, it is common practice to move goods onto other trucks along the way, it is so the Mover can get optimum cubic feet loaded in their trucks to make money

Another incorrect point.... Legitimate movers do not charge by cubic feet.
And moving goods onto other trucks along the way doesn't even sound right to the untrained ear.... Once a shipment is loaded on the over the road van, the only way it comes off prior to scheduled delivery is if it goes into sit, or there is a shuttle.. Anything else is blatantly shady, and I guess that's why this guy is an Ex mover....

All major moving companies transfer freight across country, basically if the truck isn't full - chances are it isn't producing much profit. Without profit, you don't exist. It's called Logistics man, read about it and learn! Commerce is the name, do you honestly think Yellow, ABF, N. American ship half loaded trucks around? Not true. Know your facts before you post... Any carrier can charge by many tariffs - by c.f., roll, item, ton, gallon, sheet, pallet, etc. You have a lot to learn, and don't ever dispatch!!! The company would go bankrupt with empty trucks running in circles!!!!]]>

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]]>Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:22 am (GMT -6)
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Apparently Big Lee doesn't know squat about Movers. Trucking companies can charge by cubic feet, per pallet, by ton, by hundred weight, by roll, by item, anything. Do you honestly think trucks are running cross country empty? You'd lose your shirt if you did. Of course Movers can put a few customers on one truckload to transfer from truck to truck until it reaches final destination. All the carriers know this. It's called Logistics Big Lee, read about it sometime and learn. Do you think Yellow freight, ABF, North American don't do this? Then get out of the cave man, it's called commerce. Good luck in your move cross country!!!]]>

Open Community]]> :: Author: Diane]]>
]]>Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:54 pm (GMT -6)
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It sounds to me as if you're on the right track with the Atlas agent. Bekins does use the 400M tariff which allows extra charges for things like stairs and so-called "long carries." Although the FMCSA recently reaffirmed the legal requirement that people have to pay only 100% of a binding estimate and 110% of a non-binding estimate at delivery, it seems to me that there is a lot of room for fiddling around with Bekins, and if I were you I would avoid the uncertainty. Bekins is the lowest-rated major van line on Epinions and some of its agents advertise on www.123movers.com, a website that also lists a large number of scammers.

Regarding using your renter's insurance to protect your things, people have said on this board that State Farm is the only insurance company that would actually protect your things against breakage, surface scrapes or dents, water damage, and so on--i.e. the things that are most likely to befall goods in transit. As far as I know, all of the other renter's or homeowner's insurance policies simply provide catastrophic coverage in case the whole truck burns up, is stolen, or whatever. Someone wrote in to say that even State Farm will protect people's things only within the state where the policy was written (I don't know whether that was accurate or not, but people for whom this is an issue might want to check). The thread where this was discussed is http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1475

Good luck with your move, and please let us know what happens!]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: WORFsonofmogh]]>
]]>Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 12:28 pm (GMT -6)
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I wanted to give an update as to the progress of my move. I finally received a quote from Bekins/Interstate. They gave me a very competitive estimate: $2533 for 2600 lbs. Although this is a very good quote (based on the others) it included some things that worry me. First off, they use the 400M tariff (they call it 412). I have read in some other posts that this does not necessarily mean anything bad. It does mean that they won't charge me the mini-storage fee. But, it does mean that they can charge me for both a long-carry and for stair carries. In fact, the quote included a stair carry. What really worries me is that the agent put me down for 2 flights. This is nonsense. There are 4 steps that lead to the front door of the apartment complex, then there are about 10 steps after that to get to my 2nd floor apartment. Can they actually consider this 2 flights? In additon, even though I told them I would prefer to go through my renter's insurance company, they added a valuation charge. The charge was reasonable, but that is only because they quoted me the cheapest $500 deductible option. I am aslo concerned because, according to one of the other movers, the movers will most likely park the truck on the side of the complex (my apt is right by the front entrance) and then carry everything threough the building to the side entrance. This will most definitely be more than enough for a long carry charge. All these factors, in combination with my first impression of the guy (see my earlier post) cause me to lean in the direction of the Atlas agent. So for now, I am going with the Atlas agent. By the way, I called the Atlas agent to inquire about the multiple truck problem. I must have been mistaken, it must have been one of the other movers who told me about that. He assured me that it is not standard practice for them to change trucks. That makes me feel much better. So, I have reserved the date for my move with Atlas. I will be faxing the signed estimate to them on Monday. If anyone has any comments for me before I take this step, I would appreciate it. Thanks for all of your help.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: BigLeeCalif]]>
]]>Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:00 pm (GMT -6)
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I mentioned in an earlier post on this thread that the reason he was not given a not to exceed because he DID mention that he had mini storage.... No one is giving (well at least no one that I know) binding estimates when mini storage is involved. Too many variables.

Apparently none of the sales people bothered to mention that as the reason for not giving binding estimate. Unigroup actually has a policy where anything involving sit or mini storage is to be non binding.

And a shuttle, if known, should be listed on the estimate, unless there is what is called a day certain load, which means its picked up on a specific date, taken back to the warehouse, and transferred there.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: FredW]]>
]]>Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 1:15 pm (GMT -6)
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BigLeeCalif wrote:

The only time your goods should be transferred from the vehicle it was originally loaded onto is if there was a shuttle, a G-11 pickup, or pick up into Storage-in-transit.

Would this be obvious on the quote?]]>

Open Community]]> :: Author: Diane]]>
]]>Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:46 pm (GMT -6)
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Can you please comment on why this person in NH wasn't given a GNTE and/or is there any chance you could contact the United or Mayflower agent to find out why? In your opinion, should this person pay extra to get a GNTE?

Also, I think we can safely disregard the bulk of what the "exmoverguy" says. He's describing what scammers do and may have been scammed himself, who knows? But we can't verify the rest of it.]]>_________________
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Open Community]]> :: Author: BigLeeCalif]]>
]]>Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:39 pm (GMT -6)
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Apparently the last poster must have worked for a scam mover, because that IS NOT HOW it goes with legitimate movers.

The only time your goods should be transferred from the vehicle it was originally loaded onto is if there was a shuttle, a G-11 pickup, or pick up into Storage-in-transit.

Ex mover said

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Also, I am an ex-Mover myself and let me tell it to you up front - Expect to pay 3 times the amount quoted, that's their catch, and once your goods are loaded up in the truck...they have you by the balls. Also, yes, it is common practice to move goods onto other trucks along the way, it is so the Mover can get optimum cubic feet loaded in their trucks to make money

Another incorrect point.... Legitimate movers do not charge by cubic feet.
And moving goods onto other trucks along the way doesn't even sound right to the untrained ear.... Once a shipment is loaded on the over the road van, the only way it comes off prior to scheduled delivery is if it goes into sit, or there is a shuttle.. Anything else is blatantly shady, and I guess that's why this guy is an Ex mover....]]>_________________
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]]>Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:14 pm (GMT -6)
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Hey Bud, I am from NH, and I had a move from NH to Sacramento 2 years ago, and back again last fall. Forget Diggins and Rose, they burned a friend of mine. Also, I am an ex-Mover myself and let me tell it to you up front - Expect to pay 3 times the amount quoted, that's their catch, and once your goods are loaded up in the truck...they have you by the balls. Also, yes, it is common practice to move goods onto other trucks along the way, it is so the Mover can get optimum cubic feet loaded in their trucks to make money - BUT BEWARE - Just one snag or delay from other parties goods on the same truck - could mean a delay in rec'g your goods. Plan ample time.]]>