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Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:09 pm

I'm in the process of moving someone across the country. My church just hired a new pastor, and we are responsible for his moving expenses. He got a quote from a Moving company that had good personal references. The quote is a non-binding quote for $35,000 discounted 65% to $13,500. The $13,500 sounds like it might be on the high side(estimated weight of 15,000 pounds) the $35,000 sounds like a potential nightmare scenario where they repeal the discount for some reason leaving my church on the hook for $35,000.

Is this a common practice?

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby twalker » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:14 pm

Believe it or not it really is common practice to discount in the mid 60% range. Welcome to the wacky world of moving! :wink:

If you give us the zip codes that your new pastor is moving from/to the moving pros here can give you a better idea of how respectable that estimate is. Also if you let us know the name of the moving company we might be able to tell you more about them as well.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:20 pm

twalker wrote:Believe it or not it really is common practice to discount in the mid 60% range. Welcome to the wacky world of moving! :wink:

If you give us the zip codes that your new pastor is moving from/to the moving pros here can give you a better idea of how respectable that estimate is. Also if you let us know the name of the moving company we might be able to tell you more about them as well.

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Moving From 19348 to 93625.

The name of the company is Firpo/Herritage Movers.

Their website it heritagemovingsystems.com Member of AMSA, and most everything I've checked out looks positive. Just thought that $35,000 was excessive.

Oh and Thanks in advance.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby twalker » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:41 pm

DBA Winters Movers, they are an agent for Stevens Van Lines. Their DOT is 113699 and their MC is 033549. They've been in business since 1988 which is pretty good. They have a 40,000 sq/ft warehouse so it doesn't sound like they're going anywhere soon either.

I'm not a professional at this, so hopefully one of the real pros will come along soon and give you some better numbers, but I came up with $32,000 assuming that the fuel surcharge is 27% (which I'm not sure where it's at this month). With a 65% discount I got $12,362. There may be some additional services (packing, etc) that are included in your pastor's estimate that would raise the price so that's something to consider as well. It sounds to me like the estimate is probably not too far off base.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:46 pm

Hey Fantastic. That is actually making me feel much better about this. There were some packing charges included in the quote.

Thank You,

I'll keep up on this thread, and let everyone know how it goes.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Nancy » Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:54 pm

Pretty close Tim!

The fuel is 15% right now. Plugging in those numbers, for transportation only, I get $10,408. Packing and valuation would be extra.

Sounds legit to me.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby twalker » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:03 pm

Thanks Nancy! I knew I'd be off on the fuel surcharge. I don't remember hearing where it's been at for quite a while. Nice to know that I can get in the ballpark though. :D

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:30 pm

Nancy wrote:Pretty close Tim!

The fuel is 15% right now. Plugging in those numbers, for transportation only, I get $10,408. Packing and valuation would be extra.

Sounds legit to me.


Below are the details of the quote
Transportation charges:24,735
Orig/Dest Fee:$1430
Fuel Surcharge:$3710
Packing: $7,700
IRR surcharge: $990

There is no amount listed for Valuation. What is Valuation?

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Diane » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:58 pm

The only question in my mind is whether it's good to use an agent of a small van line like Stevens for a cross-country move. Maybe the industry pros will have some opinions. Meanwhile, I think he should get a couple of other quotes. The people who recommended this company to him may have used it for short-distance moves only.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby moverjim » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:07 pm

TIMING FOR THE MOVE IS ALSO A FACTOR. MOST VAN LINES HAVE NON-PEAK AND PEAK RATES DEPENDING ON THE MOVE DATE.
TYPICALLY IF THE MOVE TAKES PLACE BEFORE MID-MAY THE PRICING WILL BE OFF-PEAK. AFTER THAT THE PRICING WILL BE SUMMER RATES WITH EVEN HIGHER PRICING FOR THE END OF JUNE THROUGH EARLY JULY.
WHEN IS THE NEW PASTOR PLANNING TO MOVE?

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Guest » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:36 am

Move is scheduled for the first week of May

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby moverjim » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:45 pm

GUEST,

THE QUOTE YOU GOT IS IN LINE WITH CURRENT PRICING.
I WOULD INSIST ON A "GUARANTEED NOT TO EXCEED QUOTE" FOR HIS MOVE.
IT APPEARS THAT FULL PACKING SERVICE IS INCLUDED.
ADDITIONAL VALUATION IS WHAT THE MOVING INDUSTRY REFERS TO AS COVERAGE FOR THE ITEMS TO BE MOVED. YOU NOTICED THAT I DIDN'T CALL IT "INSURANCE", AS THE INDUSTRY ISN'T ALLOWED TO SELL "INSURANCE". THIS WOULD RUN ABOUT $600 FOR $75,000 OF COVERAGE WITH NO DEDUCTIBLE.

THERE ARE TWO COMPANIES THAT COME TO MIND IN YOUR AREA. WAYNE MOVING (NORTH AMERICAN VAN LINES) AND MCCOLLISTER'S (UNITED VAN LINES). YOU MAY WANT TO CALL THEM TO GET THE "GNTE" YOUR CHURCH NEEDS TO CONTROL COSTS.

GOOD LUCK WITH HIS MOVE.

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Re: Move from PA to CA $35,000 with a 65% discount to 13,500

Postby Diane » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:51 pm

Here's a post summarizing what has been said here about Philadelphia-area moving companies, in case you want to get a few more quotes. As a matter of principle, MovingScam.com does not endorse any full-service mover, but this may give you some guidance. You would want to focus on companies that have good reviews and comments for long interstate moves, not just for local moves.
Diane wrote:PHILADELPHIA AREA (locations of out-of-area companies are in bold)

Note that there is a lot of overlap between Philadelphia and South Jersey, so many moving companies are listed under both areas.

"Rick" (industry expert) posted that there is a commercial zone around Philadelphia where companies can move people without having an interstate license. Also, he commented that "Philly has a bad reputation for lousy movers," so people should be very cautious:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 1652#41652

The PA Public Utility Commission may have authority over within-PA moves. Someone named "Ray Coll" posted this phone number for it: 412-881-2008. "chessimprov" posted that the PUC keeps a file of letters about PA moving companies:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6494

Avoid the following companies:

:evil: --Adelphia Moving (independent) in Philadelphia. See various posts on this thread, one of which suggests a connection with the dubious company A Pioneer, which is itself connected with the dubious company Alpha Moving in NJ:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=323

:evil: --Hank's Moving Company (independent) in Philadelphia, based on a report by "phl-la" that they cancelled his local move at the last minute and failed to return his deposit:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1678
Someone later came on anonymously to praise Hank's for a move to DC, but we are skeptical (be sure to read all threads pointed to in the following thread):
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5256
There were also bad remarks about it by "chessimprov":
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5717

:evil: --Isaac's Relocation (independent). I explain why in this post:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 2622#52622

:evil: --Maier's Relocation Service (independent) in Upper Darby, PA with MC #236511. See this thread for details:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5148

:evil: --Signature Van Lines.

:evil: --Superior Moving & Storage, Inc. (independent) in Philadelphia, based on its "unsatisfactory" rating with the BBB and a large number of BBB complaints, plus the fact that it was cited for violations by the PA Bureau of Consumer Protections in 2002:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 6964#36964

:evil: --Wayne's World 2000 Moving Systems (independent) with website www.waynesworldmoving.com and phone 215-669-3415; it appears to be unlicensed for interstate moves and the owner was rude:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1683

Allied Van Lines agents

--Advance Transportation (Allied) in Philadelphia.
Regarded as "solid" by "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD).

--Bayshore Transportation System, Inc. (Allied) in Newark, DE.
One of the "gold standard" movers. It has excellent quality scores from the van line. Highly praised by "PMueller" (works for another Allied agent) and "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD).

--Clemmer Moving & Storage, Inc. (Allied) in Telford.
This company with MC #296756 is regarded as "solid" by "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD). However, "PMueller" (works for another Allied agent) posted that its quality scores are only in the "meets standards" range and there are better choices. She recommended O'Briens (Allied) in Allentown instead:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 1610#51610

--O'Briens-Glose Moving & Storage (Allied) in Allentown.
Recommended by "PMueller" (works for another Allied agent), who said that its quality scores were in the "very good to excellent" range:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 1610#51610

--Shelly Moving & Storage, Inc. (Allied) in Hellam and Malvern.
Regarded as "solid" by "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD).
"jenn" (moving from Philly to Pittsburgh) gave them a rave review:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... =5748#5748 (within-PA)

--Simonik Moving & Storage, Inc. (Allied) in Mt. Laurel, NJ.
"PMueller" (works for another Allied agent) posted that the branch in Bound Brook NJ has much higher quality scores than the branch in Mt. Laurel. However, both she and "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD) recommended Simonik to someone moving from NJ to Colorado:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7108
"PHL->SEA" (moving to Seattle) gave Simonik a good review for the pre-move process but ultimately decided to go with Sinclair because of its GNTE estimate--Allied agents give TPG with GRR estimates instead:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5863
"SkyyBlueGuest" (Christine) gave Simonik a good review for the pre-move process for a move within NJ and also posted that they were great during the move itself:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 1071#31071
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 7642#37642 (local)
"Karissa" gave Simonik a basically good review for the actual move from NJ to CA (there was a long-haul driver from another Allied agent) but said that Simonik's people didn't handle the paperwork well:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5903 (interstate)
"KJ in NJ" posted that a colleague of her husband had a great experience with Simonik and she was considering them (along with All Jersey) for a move from NJ to Troy NY:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 7744#37744

Atlas Van Lines agents

--Reads Moving Systems (Atlas) in Hatboro.

--Shannon Transport, Inc. (Atlas) in Mt. Laurel, NJ.
I discussed a couple of odd things about this company on this thread:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5089
"Anthony" complained that the company added a mysterious $850 "Item 1506" charge for self-hauling his shipment from Philly to VA, which "Michael" said was legal but should have been handled differently:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4817
However, "weem" (works for a company in northeast MD) recommended them very strongly to someone moving from NJ to Colorado:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7108

Bekins Van Lines agents

--Bekins Transfer & Storage (Bekins) in Pottstown.
Mentioned but no information.

--Gsell Moving & Storage (Bekins) in Mount Holly, NJ.
Both "Rick" (industry expert) and "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD) posted that this company is reputable.
On the same thread, "palidor42" gave them a good review for his local move from South Jersey to Philadelphia:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5772 (local)

Graebel Van Lines agents

--Graebel Eastern Movers, Inc. (Graebel) in Moorestown, NJ.
This company has the phone number (856) 235-9100. Although Tim expressed doubts about them in the thread below, they are a bona fide Graebel agent. "jenn" posted that they were recommended by her university for her move from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... =1615#1615 (within PA)

Mayflower Van Lines agents

--American Way Moving Systems (Mayflower) in King Of Prussia.
"BigLeeCalif" (working for a United agent in CA) made very good comments about them:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=817

--Ed Schmidt Moving & Storage, LLC (Mayflower) in Clarksboro, NJ.
Not much information. Mentioned as having given "BigMove" a low quote comparable to one from Isaac's Relocation and lower than Simonik and Shannon:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7178

--Sinclair Moving & Storage, Inc. (Mayflower) in Philadelphia.
This company is HQd in West Berlin, NJ. It has the website www.sinclairmoving.com and the phone 800-282-7242.
We have a rave review by "PHL->SEA" of a move to Seattle praising both the estimator and the driver, who was from United Van Lines, not Mayflower:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5863
"Jeff Gelman" posted a good review of the company's moving his grandmother's things from FL to Philadelphia--the only glitch was that he had to help the two moving guys move the piano during delivery:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3510

North American Van Lines agents

--Wayne Moving & Storage (North American) in Pennsauken, NJ.
Mentioned but no information.

Stevens Worldwide Van Lines agents

--Heritage Moving Systems, Inc. (Stevens) in Concordville.
Mentioned but little information. It has the website www.heritagemovingsystems.com. Someone posted that it was doing business as Winters Movers and it has MC #033549:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7864

United Van Lines agents

--Fischer-Hughes Transport, Inc. (United) in King of Prussia.
"SF bound" posted that it looked as if it changed its name to Hughes Relocation Services (see below) in 2000 and it also shares an address with American Way Moving Systems (see above):
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=840
"BigLeeCalif" posted that there was nothing wrong with all this--that his own United agent had merged with another agent.
"jenn" posted that they were recommended for a local move by people at her university:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... =1615#1615
"boo" was planning to go with them for a move to TX (liked them better than Bekins or Reads) but never came back to report:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 4289#34289 (interstate)

--Hughes Relocation Services, Inc. (United) in Doylestown.
Mentioned but little information. "BigLeeCali" (working for a United agent in CA) said that they were an established United agent with multiple locations in PA.

--Jack Treier Moving & Storage, Inc. (United) in Lancaster and Reading.
This company's website is http://www.movingsystems.com/jacktreier and its phone numbers are 800-233-2808 or 717-397-2808. Recommended by "IMP" (works for an independent moving company) as a good company to get a quote from:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7632

--McCollister's Transportation Systems, Inc. (United) in Burlington, NJ.

--Parks Moving Systems, Inc. (United) in West Chester.
"BigLeeCali" (working for a United agent in CA) said that they were an established United agent with multiple locations in PA. "IMP" (works for an independent mover) also said that they were good. This company has branches in the Pittsburgh area with the name Parks Moving & Storage.

--Ware's Van & Storage Co. (United) in Quakertown.
A "gold standard" mover highly praised by "weem" (works for a mover in northeast MD).

Wheaton Van Lines agents

--Mooney's Relocation Specialists (Wheaton) in Glenside.
Little information, but "NeedHelp" moving within PA posted that they were recommended by a co-worker:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5973

Independent moving companies

--Action Enterprises (independent) in Philadelphia.
This company has the phone number 215-424-9801. It is not licensed to do interstate moves but it was highly recommended by someone for a local move:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1594 (local)

--Cherry Hill Moving & Storage (independent) in Moorestown, NJ.
Little information but "palidor42" posted that a co-worker recommended it for his 15-mile move from South Jersey to Philadelphia (he went with Gsell instead):
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 1764#41764

--Cranston Movers (independent) in Philadelphia.
This company has the website www.cranstonmovers.com.
One person ("air5k") had used them for two local moves and said they were fine, and was considering using them for a move to Harrisburg:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3911 (within PA)

--JC Stilwell's & Son (independent) in Sharon Hill.
The name of this company is spelled differently in different places. "kanna" and "ggoula" were poised to go with them on a friend's recommendation for a move from Philly to NJ but the friend had actually recommended Stillwell of Media, which is a different company. I unearthed a little information on JC Stilwell's (MC #44156), which actually looked better than the info on Stillwell of Media:
http://www.movingscam.com/forum/viewtop ... 2867#32867


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